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-====== G1 Flooring Repair ======
-The flooring in G1 is rapidly deteriorating. At the 2019 AGM, it was decided that the floor needs to be fixed: Alfie was appointed to organise fixing the floor in G1, which means deciding how to fix it and wrangling members into fixing it.
-Alfie knows next to nothing about floors, so this wiki page chronicles Alfie Learning These Things And Fixing The Floor, Hopefully.
-===== What's there now? =====
-The floor in G1 appears to be a concrete slab with a top layer of linoleum. If it was intact it'd be quite suitable - easy to clean and relatively robust. The floor in G1 however was installed in, like, the 80s or something, and so has fallen to bits in the intervening time.
-G1's floor area is 9.1M x 4.2M = 38.22M²
-===== What have other spaces done? =====
-Revspace changed their flooring a while ago.
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-:44:02 <Allie`> Juerd / Sebastius: joepie91 tells me you know about the re-floor-ening of RevSpace! Edinburgh Hacklab also needs re-floor-ening - I'm curious what you did, and what decisions you made to get there?
-:48:42 <@Sebastius> Allie`: what would you like to know?
-:51:38 <Allie`> Sebastius: primarily, why did you do what you did, and what are the mistakes we should avoid?
-:53:12 <@Sebastius> well we had a linoleum (don't know the translation) floor in here that was beat up. We filled the pits with a polymer caulk and place the floor on top of that. We skipped the normal foam underfloor and that was a mistake.
-:53:25 <@Sebastius> the floor is way more uneven than we anticipated
-:53:55 <@Sebastius> we went with a PVC floor that you click into eachother
-:55:51 <Allie`> Sebastius: awesome, that's exactly the situation i'm in. we've got a lino floor that was installed in like, the 90s or something, and it's falling to bits
-:56:11 <Allie`> the concrete slab underneath is in reasonable shape, i hope, except where the floor has been ripped up
-:56:12 <@Sebastius> Allie`: if you have the time and manpower: rip it out
-:56:21 <@Sebastius> ours was glued in
-:56:30 <@Sebastius> and we didnt want to rip it out
-:57:00 <Allie`> we're planning to rip it out, aye. gonna bribe members with pizza or something, seems to be the way to get people to do things ;)
-:57:41 <@Sebastius> Allie`: all our 'space project' days are fully catered. We provide food drinks and snacks, we invest in the proper tools and kneepads and safety stuff
-:57:56 <@Sebastius> you never go hungry or physically hurting
-:58:25 <@Sebastius> Allie`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOd2Wjzudg&list=PLOa29-s5_wncc86eJFnpUAnSoQX0vTck2
-:58:42 <@joepie91[m]> additional note to the above... iirc our new flooring did have foam underfloor on the bottom, but it wasn't enough to account for the unevenness
-:58:55 <@Sebastius> before this we cut a trench in the floor for some electricity  to the tables
-:00:02 <@Sebastius> we effectively had one full weekend of space downtime
-:02:30 <@joepie91[m]> Allie`: also, for laminate flooring like what we have now, keep in mind that you should leave it in the room where it's going to be used for a while (before using it) so it can acclimatize
-:20:00 <@Juerd> Allie`: We went for rather stiff PVC laminate and that might have been a mistake given that we couldn't fully prepare the subfloor.
-:20:27 <@Juerd> Allie`: The sides of the planks, with the click profile, are breaking in some places.
-:21:48 <@Juerd> Allie`: I still think waterproof PVC was the right choice, especially considering how a club mate spill is no longer cause for a huge panic (as long as it's not in the same place as the broken plank tongues), but next time I'd look for a more plasticized version.
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-===== Options for sorting the flooring =====
-==== Pay Someone ====
-We should probably pay someone to do the floor. Alfie is getting quotes from local floor people.
-==== Do it ourselves? ====
-Some people think we should do it ourselves.
-=== Option 1: Do nothing ===
-Self explanatory. Let the flooring slowly deteriorate.
-== Pros ==
-  * Compatible with the Hacklab's ethos of not doing anything.
-== Cons ==
-  * Makes the space feel scruffy and unmaintained.
-  * People keep tripping on it.
-  * People point out the holes in the floor and say "we should do something about that."
-=== Option 2: Naked concrete ===
-Martling's proposal. Rip up the Lino and expose the concrete underneath.
-== Pros ==
-  * Cheap and easy - Only requirement is some humans and some bribes for the humans.
-  * We can decided to add more flooring at a later date if it doesn't work out.
-== Cons ==
-  * Still looks kinda shabby
-  * Concrete is unsealed and porous, which makes cleaning a lot more difficult
-  * Concrete will wear unevenly in high-traffic areas and expose the aggregate below
-=== Option 3: Self-levelling compound + Floor paint ===
-  * Self-levelling compound https://www.screwfix.com/p/no-nonsense-2-part-floor-levelling-compound-12-5kg/27894
-  * Floor paint: https://www.screwfix.com/p/no-nonsense-trade-floor-paint-grey-2-5ltr/74591 - One bucket covers 11m²/L * 2.5L = 27.5m²
-Rip up the flooring and finish with self-levelling compound and floor paint, a la workshop flooring.
-== Pros ==
-  * Hard-wearing
-  * Very easy to clean
-  * Looks excellent if done well
-  * Reasonably cost-effective
-  * Easy-ish? Definitely DIY level
-== Cons ==
-  * Requires clearing G1
-  * Fairly messy - Lots of goopy flooring compound / paint etc.
-  * No lab access for a few days whilst the floor/paint cures
-  * If we screw it up, it could result in a worse floor than we have right now.
-=== Option 4: Laminate flooring ===
-Rip up the lino and install quality laminate flooring.
-== Pros ==
-  * Looks awesome, and makes G1 feel like a social/"human" space more than a workshop
-  * Very easy to install
-  * Easy to clean
-  * RevSpace did it
-== Cons ==
-  * Laminate flooring is susceptible to scratches / gouges / general wear and tear.
-=== Option 5: Polished concrete ===
-We could use the existing concrete and make it look nice.
-https://www.homedit.com/guide-to-polished-concrete-floors/
-== Pros ==
-  * Sustainable
-  * Easy to clean as it is smooth
-  * Flexible pricing - depends how smooth we'd want to make it.
-  * Lasts a lot longer than typical lino.
-  * Further to Martin's idea above.
-== Cons ==
-  * I don't know anyone who has experience laying it. We'd need to look for a quote from folks. It would also mean completely clearning G1, but that's not necessarily an issue particular to this solution.
-  * We'd need someone to come and tell us if our current concrete is suitable.
-=== Option ?: Something else ===
-Add proposals here!
-== Pros ==
-  * hack the planet
-== Cons ==
-  * llama